Reply Delete. Gotta crank one out. Here's a better angle of the stack and ladder that were struck with the right wing where you can see the gash in the stack, and the damaged section of the ladder.https://gray-kmvt-prod.cdn.arcpublishing.com/resizer/Z9XA94vRdq5ABRdEofwGJeK0tGE=/1200x675/smart/filters:quality(85)/cloudfront-us-east-1.images.arcpublishing.com/gray/JNAC4GVPRBC7RHHQSIO3P2WAEY.JPGStreet view from US Hwy 30 in June 2019 of same stackhttps://www.google.com/maps/@42.5508056,-113.7581799,3a,60y,310.62h,98.21t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sXjHKzC_zNsmc7-AQYHeIAw!2e0!7i16384!8i8192?hl=en. ADSB data and Airport Surveillance Cameras are God Sends for looking into aircraft mishaps such as these. Perhaps it hit the chimney while the left wing just cleared the top. Last edited by a moderator: Sep 7, 2017. A pilot is a pilot and she made a mistake and hit something she knew was there. You're missing his point entirely. If the obstacle surface allowed it, they would have put in an RNAV LPV approach to this airport instead of an LNAV, which would have been just as good if not better than an ILS. Not surprising an elderly person might have difficulty surviving that. "Sucked right into that smokestack by the steam cloud!" There is photographic evidence of the stacks on the roof at the collision location in a 2018 Town News article about the plant, so they have been there at least that long. "Nothing new under the sun." Steam clouds exists because of gov't and corporate decisions, made by corporate executives and gov't officials. For rise, the difference between the uncompensated raw reported altitudes at the two points will be used. That 31,000-fpm descent rate is one of the last pieces of usable radar data the Nashville TRACON's radar recorded from N66BK, a Cessna Citation 501, before it crashed into Lake Percy Priest . You sound like a true Ftard! ADS-B does report a GPS altitude (although Flightaware does not show it), however this altitude is height above the ellipsoid, which can vary from true MSL by up to 150 feet depending where in the country you are, and this will also be different than the corrected barometric altitude shown on the pilot's altimeter due to a variety of factors that I won't go into here. All: "Diverting today is less justifiable, weather is not at minimums"6. Nevertheless, RIP to Brittney and condolences to her family and friends. It's not the answers that friends and family will want.The Caravans of today, even one 9 years old, are equipped with the G1000 avionics system, really about a dozen computers. Better yet, how about a test of your instrument skill set with added emergencies? Here's what's left of the stack in question, at the 2:24 point in the video.https://youtu.be/aRN3RJaW618. Brittney is survived by her parents, Sharon and Jim Bob Infanger, her siblings, Craig Infanger (Daria); Emily Goodrich (Robert); Branden Infanger (Annie); Jayden Infanger; Erica Hill (Taylor); Adrienne Rochleau (Chris); and her loving nieces, nephews, aunts, uncles and cousins. That's too slow. These facts were demonstrated to tragic effect on March 15, 2012. The crash is under investigation by the National Transportation Safety Board and the Federal Aviation Administration. Remember, is was a cold, snowy morning, with very limited visibility, and according to the AWOS at the time of the crash, the temperature/dewpoint spread was only two degrees; in other words a very nearly saturated atmosphere. I see no conjecture from the original post; only data from flightaware. Accident Investigation report not yet completed, but information verified through authorities or other sources. (b) Assuming the stack is 100ft AGL, from the ground surface elevation at the plant. Here are those METARs:KBYI 131430Z AUTO 20007KT 2SM -SN BR BKN021 OVC028 M03/M06 A2997 --- crash occurred @ 14:32 Z ---KBYI 131440Z AUTO 21008KT 2 1/2SM -SN BKN030 OVC047 M03/M06 A2997In spite of those reports, the pilot's reputation is being maligned with the "intentionally busted minimums" assertion. At ground speeds reported, that was only 16 seconds from breaking out of cloud, to reaching the stack. All messages must be civil in tone; if critical, must be constructive. Tubers meaning starchy root vegetables like potatoes? Even a slight gust can carry the rising steam from the potato plants six stacks into the 3.75 approach path. (Lateral integrity of 0.3 nm. This was not the fault of any tower on the processing plant. I would really like to see some *measured* data of the actual height of that tower before it was razed, as well as its MSL elevation. I think you are attacking the wrong anonymous commenter. Louisiana are three of the apparent victims in a plane crash in Lefthand Canyon west of Boulder on July 17. Yes exactly. Steam enters such drums at 140-180C (284-356F) and 10-12 bar. Last edited: Dec 22, 2021. very sad. The single isolated stack is perfectly positioned to snag an aircraft that is suddenly enshrouded in the condensate clouds and losing altitude. There is no published airspeed for Engine Failure on Approach Emergency Checklist.Note: The Pratt and Whitney PT-6 Turbine was originally designed to pump water, hence the nomenclature PT for pump turbine. Kathryn's Report: Cessna 560 Citation XLS+, N560AR: Fatal accident occurred September 02, 2021 near Robertson Field Airport (4B8), Plainville, Hartford County . One Way Charter Flight Pricing and Costs evoJets. This map-pin location is Gossner's Elevators:maps.google.com/maps?t=k&q=loc:42.54918+-113.76041Street view:https://goo.gl/maps/2hJ8XhWHUTENBvEa8Here are all of the HEYBURN obstacles of the 16-ID.dat obstacle database file, with map-pin and street view images after converting HH:MM:SS.SS GPS coordinates to decimal:That 140 foot radio tower near the United Metals Recycling plant is:16-022120 O US ID HEYBURN 42 33 31.30N 113 44 53.73W TOWER 1 00140 04291 N 1 D N 2020ANM06806OE C 2021126maps.google.com/maps?t=k&q=loc:42.558694+-113.748258#16-036731 is the crashed into stack, as already noted.#16-036732 thru 16-036737 are 100', 4256' MSL Gem stacks:maps.google.com/maps?t=k&q=loc:42.551047+-113.760189And this 37' high tank is by the tracks at 7th Ave:16-036750 O US ID HEYBURN 42 32 58.11N 113 45 47.84W TANK 1 00037 04187 R 4 D P 2017ANM00600OE C 2018029 maps.google.com/maps?t=k&q=loc:42.549475+-113.763289Street view:https://goo.gl/maps/zMVhwxePeR5Em32J7Elevators 124' high, NorthEast of Gem:16-000258 O US ID HEYBURN 42 33 17.33N 113 45 16.64W ELEVATOR 1 00124 04282 R 1 A N 0076_NW00104OE C 2013291maps.google.com/maps?t=k&q=loc:42.554814+-113.754622Street view:https://goo.gl/maps/zRAEzTUpo3y2PpmJ6But these across the tracks are not in the database:https://goo.gl/maps/1ZD8aeGhy2Y1CsdEAAnd this tower, Google maps doesn't show:16-051497 U US ID HEYBURN 42 32 27.89N 113 45 01.48W TOWER 1 00125 04279 N 4 D N 2019ANM02334OE A 2020084maps.google.com/maps?t=k&q=loc:42.541081+-113.750411. Date and Time: April 13, 2022, 08:32 Local, Flight Conducted Under: Part 135: Air taxi & commuter - Non-scheduled. that happens in many non precision approaches, very common.Someone commented:At reaching the edge of the building, 80 + 8 = 88 knots:Wed 10:32:25 AM 42.5520 -113.7592 217 80 92 4,150 -857Airspeed of 88 is ok, yes it fell off but stalling speed is in the low 60's.2nd the descent rate is -857. "Yeah, no. In the USA people get fed a steady diet of emotionalized and sensationalized TV and other media from an early age on around the clock and everywhere, airports, waiting rooms and especially at home. G1000 avionics can log a lot of data if and only if you have a formatted SD card in the top slot of the MFD. Since the pilot was already below the MDA in IMC, the combination of snow, cloud, the steam plume, low flight altitude (75 agl), did not allow her to see and avoid the tower.A review of air traffic control (ATC) communication with the pilot revealed the approach controller issued the pilot the current altimeter setting and verified that the pilot had the current weather and notices to airmen reports for BYI. A special automated weather report for BYI about the time of the accident reported 1 mile visibility in light snow and mist Video footage recovered from a security camera located on a processing plant revealed a view of the rooftop of the processing plant, along with a smokestack supported by steel framework on the roof. 18. Here's a link to the Aviation Safety Network report on the crash near Pine Grove, Oregon, USA on 09 January, 2021. The "airport shouldn't be there"I'm reminded of the jet that took off in CT short runway. There is no "glidepath", "decision altitude", "needles" (plural), or any sort of vertical guidance at all. Two people were onboard the aircraft when the pilot reported engine issues after taking off from the Santa Monica Airport. This Cessna had been built in 1974. "If you are focused on approaching a short runway, there is no VSGI to guide you on the required steep non-standard descent angle, it can be easy to miss the grey colored obstacles that don't stand out. Don't forget that NOTAMs should not be permanent notations but rather temporary fixes or transient notifications until the appropriate official guidance can be updated. The airplane subsequently struck the smokestack and fell to the rooftop. There may also be weather equipment at that plant and it may have logging capability. He blamed a hazardous chimney on the Gem State Processing Plant for the deadly crash.Hmmmmmm! COO occasionally recaps fatalities as a learning tool for pilots, as the reports are very often informative and important. But if the temperature is warm (roughly 0C to -5C), wet snow mixed with liquid water could to stick to your airplane.Dec 11, 2021Frost disrupts the smooth flow of wind over the wing causing reduced lift. She must have had sight of the runway lights which allowed her to descend below MDA but didn't see the smokestack. The crash happened in shallow surf around 3:15 p.m. A witness captured video showing the Cessna 150A gradually dropping from the sky, hitting the sand and then flipping over not far from beachgoers. These would apply to a frequent, small, non-precision, destination airport, and those of us that taught approaches appreciated visualizing the descent or stepdowns to MDA. It doesn't provide the external factors such as bird strikes or the flight deck conversation to know the human factors. 24 much safer and longer runway which I feel more comfortable with. Date: Saturday 29 May 2021: Time: 0.26639294624329: Type: Cessna 501 Citation I/SP: It is staggering that the FAA, local airport authority, and board of the "Gem State Potato Processing Plant" allowed this appalling situation. Visitation will begin at 10:30 the morning of the funeral. The reported weather doesn't mean anything about conditions at the accident site. Or maybe the pilot went around on the first pass *because* they were carrying too much speed. I will give the details below for others to replicate, but here are my conclusions:(1) If you start at 4800ft at JAMID, and then descend with a 3.75 degree angle from horizontal as advised on the published approach plate, you would clear the top of a 100' AGL stack by only *63 feet. It also involves the predicament of finding yourself hanging inverted in a very small space with waves surrounding your downed airplane. Not sure if runway lights would be on, since it was 8:32 AM MDT with sunrise an hour and a half earlier at 6:56 AM. Despite the terrible ADM, it was a common act of poor airmanship (yoke yanking, early rotation) that induced the incident as noted in the very detailed case study. After graduating from ATP, Brittney was a flight instructor at Aero guard, Gem Air, and privately in Salmon, Idaho, and received various flight licenses, including commercial, instrument, multiengine, CFI, CFII, MEI, tailwheel, and seaplane. Yes, sorry about the typo, runway 20, not 30. Precision matters to actual pilots. This is from the elevation data in Google Earth, and visually looking from the runway appears to be in the ballpark, as the northeast bank of the river is higher than the runway. 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